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  1. Just looking at some stats from the team scores that I found interesting. 2024 Penn State vs. 1997 Iowa For those wondering about the 3 pt. takedown and 4 point near fall and how that affected bonus points. Penn State gained 11 extra team points via bonus that they would not have received had it not been for a combination of the above scoring changes since 1997 although you could argue some of their tech falls might have still come as some came like 5 minutes into the match. They had 8 total tech falls so that accounts for 4 of those points (tech falls going to major decisions = -0.5 team points) Team Over-performers and under-performers - looking at how teams were projected to score based strictly on seeds (advancement and placement points) and how many placement and advancement points they actually scored (no bonus) Over-Performers 1. Ohio State (+16.5) 2. Michigan (+16) 3. Stanford (+15) 4. Little Rock (+10) 4. Lock Haven (+10) 6. Virginia Tech (+9) 7. Oklahoma (+8.5) 8. Penn State (+7) 9. Navy (6.5) 9. Arizona State (6.5) Over-Performers / Number of Qualifers 1. Lock Haven (3.33) 2. Stanford (3.00) 3. Little Rock (2.00) 4. Ohio State (1.83) 5. Michigan (1.78) 6. Oklahoma (1.70) 7. Navy (1.30) 8. VMI (1.00) 8. West Virginia (1.00) 10. Virginia Tech (0.90) Under-Performers 1. NC State (-46.5) 2. Lehigh (-27) 3. Purdue (-12) 4. Northern Iowa (-10) 5. Harvard (-8.5) 6. Binghamton (-8) 7. Illinois (-7.5) 8. Oklahoma State (-6.5) 9. Cal Poly (-5.5) 10. Air Force (-5) Under-Performers / Qualifiers 1. NC State (-4.65) 2. Lehigh (3.38) 3. Harvard (-2.83) 4. Illinois (-2.50) 5. Purdue (-2.40) 6. Binghamton (-2.00) 7. Air Force (-1.67) 8. Northern Iowa (-1.43) 9. Cal Poly (-1.00) 9. Brown (-1.00) 9. The Citadel (-1.00) Bonus Points - Which teams scored the most? Total Bonus Points 1. Penn State - 34 2. Cornell - 19.5 3. Iowa State - 17 4. Iowa - 15 5. NC State - 13.5 6. Northern Iowa - 12 6. Nebraska - 12 6. West Virginia - 12 9. Missouri - 10. 5 10. South Dakota State, Michigan, Ohio State - 9.5 Bonus Points per qualifier 1. Penn State - 3.40 2. North Dakota State - 2.50 3. West Virginia - 2.40 4. Cornell - 2.17 5. Air Force - 2.00 6. Iowa State - 1.89 7. Northern Iowa - 1.71 8. Iowa - 1.67 8. Ohio - 1.67 10. Wisconsin - 1.60 Conference Stats - I wanted to look at this as a whole since there was a lot of debate about how conference place changed seeding Overperformance or Under-performance - Actual points vs. projected points just looking at placement and advancement (no bonus) Total Performance 1. Pac 12 (+27) 2. Big Ten (+26) 3. MAC (+16.5) 4. SoCon (+2.5) 5. Big 12 (-4) 6. EIWA (-31.5) 7. ACC (-36.5) Total Performance / Number of qualifiers 1. Pac 12 (+0.90) 2. MAC (+0.66) 3. Big Ten (+0.27) 4. SoCon (+0.15) 5. Big 12 (-0.06) 6. EIWA (-0.52) 7. ACC (-1.01) Conference Bonus Points 1. Big Ten (106.5) 2. Big 12 (81.5) 3. EIWA (41) 4. ACC (34.5) 5. Pac 12 (23) 6. MAC (12.5) 7. SoCon (4) Conference Bonus Points per qualifier 1. Big 12 (1.25) 2. Big Ten (1.11) 3. ACC (0.96) 4. Pac 12 (0.77) 5. EIWA (0.67) 6. MAC (0.50) 7. SoCon (0.24)
    11 points
  2. https://www.instagram.com/reel/C414xsKsuXO/?igsh=d2Fsc3M5OTdpcWI= Love it. More sports hate!
    11 points
  3. .... Toned it down, and is actually waiting for the final whistle before sticking the mike in a wrestler's face, as he's done in the past.
    11 points
  4. It went so quick. Now I understand how my wife feels.
    10 points
  5. Cormier is the right choice for commentator at the NCAA championships. He’s comfortable on the mic. He’s a relatively big name. He understands people who do not follow wrestling. He’s funny. And for casual fans (as well as plenty of wrestling fans) he’s a good story teller and entertaining. The NCAA championships are a time to showcase the sport to a wider audience, and technical commentary is not the right choice. Cormier is.
    9 points
  6. Carr should be considered for OW since he went through Hamiti, O’Toole, Mesenbrink
    9 points
  7. 30-35 years ago I was at the Wilkes Open just watching. Haselrig was there looking at the brackets on the wall. He looked at me(might have recognized me from ncaas) and asked me "how do the consolations work?" I told him, first you have to lose!
    9 points
  8. The missed opportunity was Carr not wagging a 1 pt finger in Messenbrinks face at the end.
    8 points
  9. In 4 NCAA Final appearances, Daton Fix has not scored a SINGLE OFFENSIVE Point! Only escapes and "penalty" points.
    8 points
  10. Seriously, down 2-3 with 30 seconds left in the match, Kelly sticking Penrith with a spladle in the 1987 championship match was the ultimate.
    7 points
  11. He went out, bought the bottle, got all of the way home, put it on ice, set out his glass, got the lighting just right, sat down, popped the cork, filled his glass, lifted it to his lips, and Larry Owings swiped it from him and drank the whole thing.
    7 points
  12. Not a big Fix fan...but this is a good post match interview.
    7 points
  13. The hawks are going to be circling Bailey and Little from Little Rock. I hope they both stay and help Erisman build that program.
    7 points
  14. "You got Oklahoma State. You got John Smith in the corner. They're gonna wine like f*cking bitches the whole time."
    7 points
  15. Hoping the championships are held here more. A lot more. Great setup. Low cost. Arena was outstanding. Central. Lots of food and drink around Arena. Free tram to get you to fun area with more good food near river. City was clean. People were nice. All around great. Really hoping this city gets the event more often.
    6 points
  16. Man, what a fall. Hamiti used to live in Madison. Then we thought he was going to be in Ann Arbor and fat and happy at 174. Now he's living in Stillwater and he's Daton Fix's replacement at 133.
    6 points
  17. Very few like or appreciate Iowa style wrestling anymore. It's unattractive in the 2000s. It's based on some fiction of a tough macho, self-sacrificing man. Marlboro Man. It's low scoring. It's not fan friendly. It is rooted in the Brands' experience at very low weights and doesn't work well in an era scrambling and funk. It doesn't appeal to recruits. It is not enjoyable to watch. The Brands don't get this and they think being stubborn is being resolute and strong. These spark plugs and fire hydrant coaches aren't going to change. And they will only fall behind further while the peanut-crunching crowd gets louder .... in its impatience and disapproval. But the midwest also doesn't like change either and doesn't know what to do. It's more earth than water or fire. It loves authoritarians not innovators.
    6 points
  18. I don't want to hear any more of this talk about Ben going to Wisconsin. Smith is going to eventually retire at Miz and my ultimate dream is an Akren as head coach and KO on staff. Please...please...please!
    6 points
  19. 2nd place without any transfer portal BS. Hey, my team does it, but that doesn't mean I have to be ecstatic about it. That's the game now, though. Much respect to Cornell for getting it done with original recruits (and with a new coach!).
    6 points
  20. A bigger easily solved issue: how is it possible when we go from 8 mats down to 4 or especially down to 1 we can't have enough mat border to prevent a wrestler from going off the mat edge when they are technically still inbounds?
    6 points
  21. “You are currently scrambling for a TD in over time. Right now is the biggest moment in your career. What is making you decide to do that?”
    6 points
  22. Lol, imagine the headlines in State College
    6 points
  23. Everyone blames the Northwestern drop off on transfer portal stuff but I’ve been yelling from the rooftops for years now it has more to do with the coaching staff getting gutted over Covid vax situation. They lost 2 top level coaches and no disrespect to futrell and Justin Oliver but they haven’t come close to replacing them, Kennedy is one of the main coaches for penn state now and Cael gives him props and compliments in interviews all the time on the work he does . Illinois had a ton of injuries and redshirts to the top returning guys , Byrd who is multiple time AA, Luffman who could have had some success in a thinned out heavyweight group, he has wins over the Campbell AA and quite a few other AAs probably a R12 guy at worst and the Brunagal brothers so a lot of points sitting on the bench last season
    5 points
  24. With nearly every thread you start and post you make in this section.
    5 points
  25. He was at PAC 12 tournament. Out of the wheel chair, & a brace on his back, rooting on his teammates.
    5 points
  26. Screw Bormet and Michigan. I will openly root against them at any event.
    5 points
  27. Extend Bono. I love his impact
    5 points
  28. At the risk of opening myself up to huge amounts of ridicule, I will proudly proclaim that Keystone Light is my favorite beer, and this thread made me want one. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    5 points
  29. As a PSU fan, I think Erisman is a great and worthy choice.
    5 points
  30. 5 points
  31. The review needs to go. Period. There is no reason for any wrestler to have a 10 minute rest. You’re taking conditioning out of the equation not mentioning ruining the flow and intensity of the match the challenge has ruined the sport and needs to go.
    5 points
  32. It was immediately clear, both from the way he approached the end of the match and his interactions with his coaches in the aftermath, that he didn’t know. I mean, if he did know, his approach to the final 30 seconds would’ve been even more puzzling. I suspect what happened is that he glanced at the clock after letting Carr up and saw himself leading 8-7. The scoreboard operator was a little slow and there was a few seconds delay before 8-8 was there. Obviously he should have known the score regardless, but that’s my theory anyway. No way he’s hearing his coaches at that point in the match, the place was loud as hell, and they were wrestling on the far side away from his corner. Perhaps they could’ve thrown a phony brick as a time out but his corner didn’t realize he was settling for what he thought was OT until it was too late.
    5 points
  33. Would you think similarly if he were a Muslim who said you’re going to hell unless you accept the Quran? I think the line for post match religion is just stay positive and don’t shit on other people’s beliefs. Also, it’s ok to answer some questions about the actual match.
    5 points
  34. 5 points
  35. No, online message boards, social media, and live streaming coverage didn't exist back then. People read about Iowa and Oklahoma State's successes in the newspaper and had to carve their disdain about wrestling dynasties into the trunks of trees and on cave walls.
    5 points
  36. My wife asked me just now if I wanted some popcorn. I replied that I don't think it goes with my overly generous pour of Macallan 12.
    5 points
  37. 13 guys in the blood round that lost in the first round. Great demonstration of strength of character by these guys
    5 points
  38. Thats called Low T. Happens to all of us middle agers.
    5 points
  39. There were 69 Previous Placewinners in this year’s field 26 of them DNP (37% of returning placers DNP) Including 3x All-American Brock Mauller 52 returning placers from 2023 15 of them DNP (28% of returning placers from last year alone) Including returning finalist Matt Ramos.
    4 points
  40. I will reiterate what I think the main point is, as a couple people have mentioned. He may have hit the ceiling no matter who was coaching. He may not be the athlete that can take it to the next level. He was at an extremely high level coming in. If you look at his body type compared to the body types of many of the athletes who are doing more, he is short and stocky with short limbs. Even look at his coach, JS has long limber limbs. Today's wrestlers are much different than they used to be. They're much more flexible and many of them have long lanky arms and legs. Fix may not be suitable to move consistently into the top 1%.
    4 points
  41. Whoa, my heart screams in pain. IMAR only came within ten seconds of beating Jordan Burroughs in a best two-of-three series when Burroughs was un-Dakeable and completely non-Taylorable. Moreover, a good underhook series was enough for Yazdani to win Olympic and World Championship Gold.
    4 points
  42. I don’t believe that is his proper pronoun. Thomas Sowell: […] Self preservation is said to be the first law of nature, and this applies not only to human beings but also to organizations and movements. The March of Dimes was set up to fight polio but it did not disband when polio was wiped out by vaccines. Nor did civil rights organizations disband after civil rights laws were passed. The fatal mistake made by those who imagine that they can appease movements and organizations with concessions is that concessions are incidental trophies for those who receive them, but unmet grievances are fundamental to their continued viability. Back in the 1930s, British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain thought that he could buy off Hitler with concessions to avoid war. More recently, both Israel and the Clinton administration discovered that offering even the most extraordinary concessions could not buy off Yasser Arafat. For either Hitler or Arafat to have made a lasting peace would have been to say that his grievances had now been met — and that would have been a devastating blow to the movement which provided his power. Against this background, it may be easier to understand why a demand can be made and a crusade launched to get something that everyone knows in advance will not be given — reparations for slavery. No way are millions of white, Asian, and Hispanic Americans going to pay reparations for something that happened before their ancestors ever set foot on American Soil. Even those whites whose ancestors were here before the Civil War know that most of those ancestors — whether they lived in the North or the South — owned no slaves. Seen in this light, the demand for reparations may seem like an exercise in futility. However, seen as a source of a lasting unmet grievance, it is a stroke of genius to keep blacks separated from other Americans and an aggrieved constituency to support black “leaders” in politics, organizations and movements. This demand also mobilizes a certain amount of support or sympathy among whites, especially those in the media and in academia, where such support or sympathy costs nothing, and allows those who give it to relieve their own sense of guilt, while risking other people’s money — and national cohesion. Some white politicians can also benefit at little or no cost to themselves by expressing sympathy with the reparations cause or even voting for meaningless apologies for what others did centuries ago. For these various groups, reparations is a win-win issue. For everyone else, including the vast majority of blacks, it is a lose-lose issue. Blacks have already begun suffering losses from con men who have asked them to sign up for their individual shares of the reparations — and have then stolen their identity and used it to defraud them. But this is just a down payment on the losses from this futile crusade. In a democracy, a minority that is no longer even the largest minority cannot afford to alienate, much less embitter, the majority which ultimately holds the political power in the country. Too often, unending demands and grievances from black leaders and spokesmen create the impression that most blacks want something for nothing. In reality, most blacks lifted themselves out of poverty before the civil rights laws or the welfare state programs took effect. Not only do most whites not know this, neither do most blacks today, for their leaders have taken credit for this progress by depicting it as the fruits of their civil rights movements and political efforts. But the poverty rate among blacks fell by half between 1940 and 1960, before any of the major federal civil rights legislation or the vast expansion of the welfare state under President Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society programs. Between 1940 and 1960, black males’ number of years of schooling doubled. How surprising is it that doubling your education raises your income? In short, most blacks raised themselves out of poverty, but their leaders robbed them of this achievement and the respect it deserved — in the eyes of blacks and whites alike — by making it seem like a concession from the government and a product of agitation. Pointing blacks in a direction from which little can be expected, and away from the enormous opportunities open today in the economy, is a formula for personal frustration, even if it benefits “leaders.” But then, that frustration is itself a benefit to “leaders,” who need a constituency with a sense of grievance.
    4 points
  43. Hes definitely qwerky. Kind of like a 90s cartoon character
    4 points
  44. I agree on Carter. He was great after the semis and particularly thoughtful IMO after the finals. Him giving props to the trainer was really classy and cool to see.
    4 points
  45. The VT team just swarmed Henson, really cool moment.
    4 points
  46. lmao I didn’t expect that. Started of so measured but he couldn’t hold that one in
    4 points
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