BlacknGold

Would be nice to see UCI (Irvine California) consider a D1 wrestling program. It's a thriving university that can easily afford it and located in an actual beach area of southern California (5-10 minutes away from the beach cities). Cal Baptist is in Riverside California which is a 1-2 hour drive away from the beach and more of a country town

Vito.

You're just a senile old man who can't properly disagree with another person

Does this taint any future scoring records broken by any team? Conference and tournament?

The way I wrote* that hurt your eyes.

Yes and I disagree with limiting their pay... I think a lot of you need help like Ben does

I know all about it and disagree buddy. I started the thread in the first place Pay the athletes and don't touch free market

@Idaho This is you

LOL or maybe I just don't agree with you

I don't care what you ask me and I don't agree lol. Let the kids get payed

Caliendo 174, Brands 184, AJ 197, if he can get on the team. Assad redshirt

You guys want to change rules, create limitations, or attack resources. Doesn't sound like you want student-athletes to get paid what they're worth. Cut the act

These kids earned any amount they're being offered. Collectives or not

I'm all for it. Any amount that was offered this offseason and MORE. I hope Shane Griffith got a new Lamborghini for going to Michigan

Without collectives, student make less money

That's exactly what I'm saying. Can't change it without massive interference of free market and creating limitations, which takes money away from students ultimately

Is that what's happening already? Sounds like it to me. None of this makes sense from a "let them get payed what they're worth" perspective. Ben wants students to get paid, but NOT if the money is coming from a bunch of rich guys, only if you can find the money elsewhere, THEN he's all for it. Makes no sense. Are the programs supposed to put together car wash events to make money for the program? The only way to change this NIL free market would be by creating limitations, which would only take money out of students pockets. So you guys keep saying you want them to get paid but only under certain conditions, only if your favorite program gets the exact playing field or equal amount of resources as top programs with more sponsorship. Just sounds petty. You either want them to get payed or you don't, can't be on the fence

It doesn't matter who, when, where, why, or how. What you are offered is what you are worth. If Ben is against "collectives" than he's not for students "getting paid what they're worth" and utterly contradicting himself

They are contradictions, but that's ok, we usually disagree on everything. Some schools will have more money and that's life. Can't level the playing field without hurting free market. What will you do, install a salary cap like pro sports? Or some other limitations? All that does is take money out of the students pockets The reason ncaa made changes in the 1st place was because sports programs were getting rich off athletes and the money wasn't being fairly shared with their performers. Now the money is being dished back and everyone throws a tantrum if it isn't their team first