1032004 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 (edited) I honestly wouldn’t be shocked if Cael did it so that they realize coaches shouldn’t be doing rankings Edited February 10, 2023 by 1032004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, 1032004 said: The high and low are thrown out? Does that mean 2 people left him off? Maybe. I went back and forth on that. I am guessing it was a case that they had 13 of 14 and still threw out the high and low rather than treat the missing vote as the low. Edited February 10, 2023 by Wrestleknownothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 1 hour ago, PortaJohn said: Also, Cam Amine ahead of Facundo and PK is a head scratcher Weight class is a bit of a mess. Amine beat Hamiti, Hamiti beat PK, Facundo beat Amine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Where is the list of coaches that vote for each weight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Minnow has put the Luther College (d3) coach on blast, claiming he is responsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, 1032004 said: Where is the list of coaches that vote for each weight? https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/wrestling/d1/men/2022-23D1MWR_CoachesRankingRoster.pdf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Just now, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: Minnow has put the Luther College (d3) coach on blast, claiming he is responsible. How? He doesn't vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Blades Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Scouts Honor said: that is kind of crazy how are seeds for ncaa tourney determined? does the coaches poll have anything to do with it... if so i smell a rat In part, yes, the Coaches' Rankings are a factor: Quote The coaches ranking and RPI are two of several criteria that will be evaluated by the NCAA Division I Wrestling Committee during the at-large selection and seeding process along with head-to-head competition, quality wins, conference tournament placement, results versus common opponents and win percentage. Source: NCAA releases midseason coaches’ rank and RPI for 2023 Division I Wrestling Championships | NCAA.com 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Just now, Wrestleknownothing said: How? He doesn't vote. I know. Typical Minnow. Check now and screenshot. It'll be deleted soon. Guy acts like he knows wrestling, then assassinates a guy's character with lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: I know. Typical Minnow. Check now and screenshot. It'll be deleted soon. Guy acts like he knows wrestling, then assassinates a guy's character with lies. Yeah. He is a moran. Did a D3 coach not vote for Yianni either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Just now, Wrestleknownothing said: Yeah. He is a moran. Did a D3 coach not vote for Yianni either? Actually, that is the scandal! No D3 coach voted for Yianni! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: Actually, that is the scandal! No D3 coach voted for Yianni! excellent point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 9 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: Minnow has put the Luther College (d3) coach on blast, claiming he is responsible. classy move as per... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 (edited) There are at least three cases where it is clear that only 11 votes were used. RBY at 133, Diakomihalis at 149, and Kerkvliet at 285. It seems to me that the root cause is most likely laziness. EDIT 1: If you look across the roster for those three weight classes there is a single coach who is on all three. I'm not saying Zeke Jones is responsible. I am just saying he is the only coach voting on all three. OK, I am saying he is responsible, even if I cannot prove it. So maybe not laziness? EDIT 2: Trivia Question: At what three weights does ASU have their three highest ranked wrestlers? Do not cheat by reading the first paragraph. For completeness, Jones is also the voter for 125 where they have their next highest ranked wrestler. Edited February 10, 2023 by Wrestleknownothing 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 30 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: Minnow has put the Luther College (d3) coach on blast, claiming he is responsible. I think that was a photoshopped picture of DeSanto or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 On second thought, Jones did vote for 33 wrestlers at each of his four assigned weight classes. Just none of those 33 included RBY, Yianni, or Kerk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 9 minutes ago, 1032004 said: I think that was a photoshopped picture of DeSanto or something OK, that makes sense. But then he says "Luther College." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: OK, that makes sense. But then he says "Luther College." So I half-apologize to Minnow, however he should not have said "Luther College." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 38 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Yeah. He is a moran. Did a D3 coach not vote for Yianni either? Couldn't help myself sorry 2 i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: There are at least three cases where it is clear that only 11 votes were used. RBY at 133, Diakomihalis at 149, and Kerkvliet at 285. It seems to me that the root cause is most likely laziness. EDIT 1: If you look across the roster for those three weight classes there is a single coach who is on all three. I'm not saying Zeke Jones is responsible. I am just saying he is the only coach voting on all three. OK, I am saying he is responsible, even if I cannot prove it. So maybe not laziness? EDIT 2: Trivia Question: At what three weights does ASU have their three highest ranked wrestlers? Do not cheat by reading the first paragraph. For completeness, Jones is also the voter for 125 where they have their next highest ranked wrestler. Yeah I think you solved the mystery. I was going to say how would his guy benefit, but all 3 of McGee, Parco and Schultz are currently at either 4 or 5 so the clear #1 has in theory dropped to the opposite side of the bracket (at least at 133 and 149, forgot Kerk lost). But still seems stupid though, surely the other criteria would push RBY in particular back to the #1 actual seed right? Edited February 10, 2023 by 1032004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 There are definitely some...head scratchers in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Blades Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, 1032004 said: surely the other criteria would push RBY in particular back to the #1 actual seed right? I'm not so sure - - RPI - head-to-head competition - quality wins - conference tournament placement - results versus common opponents - win percentage. As of now, Fix and Vito look like they have the advantage in RPI. If Fix and Vito both win out the remaining schedule, and win their conference tournaments, there may be little else to separate them. Edited February 10, 2023 by Red Blades 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98lberEating2Lunches Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, BigRedFan said: 133: Fix #1, Arujau #2, RBY #3 149: Gomez #1, Sasso #2, Yianni #3 285: Parris #1, Cassioppi #2, Davison #3, Kerkvliet #4 WTF? A subset of these (per weight class) https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/wrestling/d1/men/2022-23D1MWR_CoachesRankingRoster.pdf Edited February 10, 2023 by 98lberEating2Lunches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Gus said: Weight class is a bit of a mess. Amine beat Hamiti, Hamiti beat PK, Facundo beat Amine Amine lost to Bryce Hepner. I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle26 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Carl trying to light a fire. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯This is honestly probably the most likely scenario. I can think of any other situation where RYB would not be 1st without dishonesty or just a flat out mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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