Jimmy Cinnabon Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 (edited) Pretty similar credentials, not even factoring in freestyle. Can one argue that Spencer had a better career than Zain? And Zain is NEVER mentioned as a GOAT wrestler. Zain: 127-3, ended career on 95 match win streak. 0 losses by bonus 54 career falls, 22 TFs, 20 MD. 3x NCAA champ, 5th as a true freshman 2x Hodge Trophy winner Spencer: 98-6, ended career with loss and 2 MFF. 2 losses by bonus (FALL Piccinnini; FALL Ramos) 37 career falls, 33 TFs, 16 MD. 3x NCAA champ, 6th as a sixth year senior 2x Hodge Trophy winner Edited May 26 by Jimmy Cinnabon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphTJones Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 Worth a discussion. I say yes. Did Bo Nickal have a better career than both??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 Objection. Asked and answered. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elevator Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 Zain is on my list of collegiate GOAT wrestlers. Not just a champion, but a pinner! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 5 hours ago, RandolphTJones said: Did Bo Nickal have a better career than both??? Definitively yes. So did Nolf and so did Ruth. That's how insane the PSU room has been, is, and will be for the forseeable future. 80s Iowa reincarnate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted Friday at 10:12 PM Share Posted Friday at 10:12 PM 2 hours ago, Elevator said: Zain is on my list of collegiate GOAT wrestlers. Not just a champion, but a pinner! a list of GOATs ... but ... 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted Friday at 10:21 PM Share Posted Friday at 10:21 PM 8 minutes ago, ionel said: a list of GOATs ... but ... 🤔 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted Friday at 10:43 PM Share Posted Friday at 10:43 PM 22 minutes ago, flyingcement said: ahh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted Friday at 11:31 PM Share Posted Friday at 11:31 PM Div. I wrestling is hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyEBHS Posted Saturday at 02:17 PM Share Posted Saturday at 02:17 PM Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul158 Posted Saturday at 05:39 PM Share Posted Saturday at 05:39 PM On 5/26/2023 at 11:22 AM, RandolphTJones said: Worth a discussion. I say yes. Did Bo Nickal have a better career than both??? Yes!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husker_Du Posted Saturday at 08:25 PM Share Posted Saturday at 08:25 PM Zain > and i don't even see the argument otherwise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husker_Du Posted Saturday at 08:27 PM Share Posted Saturday at 08:27 PM also, spencer's MFF in his last two matches should count on his record. (as should all MFF's (especially in non-opens) 98-8 imo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Bryant Posted Sunday at 01:22 AM Share Posted Sunday at 01:22 AM also, spencer's MFF in his last two matches should count on his record. (as should all MFF's (especially in non-opens) 98-8 imoThen you’d have (hypothetically of course) to tack on a few more since he also MFF at Midlands a time or two, right? As far as the question, yes, Zain had the better college career. 1 Quote Don't work here no more ... either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterloo Posted Sunday at 03:21 PM Share Posted Sunday at 03:21 PM I think a lot of folks credit Spencer with a fourth title, which he would have won but for his injuries— and not without reason. Also, he had an even higher bonus rate than Zain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threadkilla Posted Sunday at 03:30 PM Share Posted Sunday at 03:30 PM 4 minutes ago, Waterloo said: I think a lot of folks credit Spencer with a fourth title, which he would have won but for his injuries— and not without reason. Also, he had an even higher bonus rate than Zain. I don't think anyone with half a brain credits him with a 4th title. The injury excuse is for wussies. He beat everyone on his way to the semi's where he met a kid that gameplanned for him. Spencer was winning in the third period when he got decked. Also, Zain had nearly Spencers career winnings in a row. Zain had the better career. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted Sunday at 03:36 PM Share Posted Sunday at 03:36 PM 10 minutes ago, Waterloo said: I think a lot of folks credit Spencer with a fourth title, which he would have won but for his injuries— and not without reason. Also, he had an even higher bonus rate than Zain. No one (well maybe you) credits him with 4 NCs. Do any credit Gable with 3, do any credit Hutton as the first 4x undefeated NC? Those 2 actually completed the tournament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted Sunday at 05:38 PM Share Posted Sunday at 05:38 PM I think the right way to say it is everyone projected the fourth title. The question we debated here and on HR was where would Lee rank among four timers. We collectively had the mindset he would win four. It is then very hard to start thinking of him as somewhere below other three timers when we were talking about him being better than some four timers just a day, or a week, or a month earlier. Assimilating new information and using it to replace prior knowledge is difficult. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted Sunday at 05:44 PM Share Posted Sunday at 05:44 PM 2 hours ago, Waterloo said: I think a lot of folks credit Spencer with a fourth title, which he would have won but for his injuries— and not without reason. Also, he had an even higher bonus rate than Zain. But a lower total of pinfalls and a lower rate of pinfalls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted Sunday at 05:47 PM Share Posted Sunday at 05:47 PM (edited) 4 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: pinfalls and pinfalls 🙄 Wkn being redundantly redundant. Edited Sunday at 05:51 PM by ionel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted Sunday at 07:01 PM Share Posted Sunday at 07:01 PM 1 hour ago, ionel said: 🙄 Wkn being redundantly redundant. Pinfalls are never redundant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husker_Du Posted Sunday at 07:14 PM Share Posted Sunday at 07:14 PM 3 hours ago, Waterloo said: I think a lot of folks credit Spencer with a fourth title, which he would have won but for his injuries— and not without reason. Also, he had an even higher bonus rate than Zain. and a worse winning % Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted Sunday at 07:18 PM Share Posted Sunday at 07:18 PM 16 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Pinfalls are never redundant. You've said that before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offthemat Posted Sunday at 07:25 PM Share Posted Sunday at 07:25 PM Who got the first takedowncontrol? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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