LJB Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 1 minute ago, mspart said: You might want to rethink that. https://nida.nih.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/marijuana-addictive Marijuana use can lead to the development of problem use, known as a marijuana use disorder, which takes the form of addiction in severe cases. Recent data suggest that 30% of those who use marijuana may have some degree of marijuana use disorder.18 People who begin using marijuana before the age of 18 are four to seven times more likely to develop a marijuana use disorder than adults.19 Marijuana use disorders are often associated with dependence—in which a person feels withdrawal symptoms when not taking the drug. People who use marijuana frequently often report irritability, mood and sleep difficulties, decreased appetite, cravings, restlessness, and/or various forms of physical discomfort that peak within the first week after quitting and last up to 2 weeks.20,21 Marijuana dependence occurs when the brain adapts to large amounts of the drug by reducing production of and sensitivity to its own endocannabinoid neurotransmitters.22,23 https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health-effects/addiction.html Some people who use marijuana will develop marijuana use disorder, meaning that they are unable to stop using marijuana even though it’s causing health and social problems in their lives. One study estimated that approximately 3 in 10 people who use marijuana have marijuana use disorder.1 Another study estimated that people who use cannabis have about a 10% likelihood of becoming addicted.2 The risk of developing marijuana use disorder is greater in people who start using marijuana during youth or adolescence and who use marijuana more frequently.3 The following are signs of marijuana use disorder 4: Using more marijuana than intended Trying but failing to quit using marijuana Spending a lot of time using marijuana Craving marijuana Using marijuana even though it causes problems at home, school, or work Continuing to use marijuana despite social or relationship problems. Giving up important activities with friends and family in favor of using marijuana. Using marijuana in high-risk situations, such as while driving a car. Continuing to use marijuana despite physical or psychological problems. Needing to use more marijuana to get the same high. Experiencing withdrawal symptoms when stopping marijuana use. In a study of cannabis research samples over time, the average delta-9 THC (the main form of THC in the cannabis plant) concentration almost doubled, from 9% in 2008 to 17% in 2017.7 Products from dispensaries often offer much higher concentrations than seen in this study. In a study of products available in online dispensaries in 3 states with legal non-medical adult marijuana use, the average THC concentration was 22%, with a range of 0% to 45%.8 https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/25/health/marijuana-potency-addiction-study-wellness/index.html Higher concentrations of tetrahydrocannabinol or THC – the part of the marijuana plant that makes you high – are causing more people to become addicted in many parts of the world, a new review of studies found. Compared with people who use lower-potency products (typically 5 to 10 milligrams per gram of THC), those who use higher-potency cannabis are more likely to experience addiction and mental health outcomes, according to the study published Monday in the journal Lancet Psychiatry. Scientists have established a “standard THC unit” of 5 milligrams of THC for research. That amount is said to produce a mild intoxication for nonregular users. “One of the highest quality studies included in our publication found that use of high potency cannabis, compared to low potency cannabis, was linked to a four-fold increased risk of addiction,” said study coauthor Tom Freeman, a senior lecturer in the department of psychology and director of the addiction and mental health group at the University of Bath in the United Kingdom, in an email. In the United States, about 3 in 10 people who use marijuana have cannabis use disorder, the medical term for marijuana addiction, according to the US Centers for Disease and Prevention. mspart wee is not physically addictive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 7 minutes ago, LJB said: wee is not physically addictive... I agree, Wee is not physically addictive. mspart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Parrish Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 30 minutes ago, mspart said: I live in a stoner state. Weed has been decriminalized. But public consumption is prohibited by law. Yeah right. Police will not even arrest people for public fentanyl use because the prosecutors will not uphold the law and will not prosecute, and judges give out wimpy sentences if anyone is ever charged and convicted. I'm guessing it is similar wherever weed has been decriminalized. Effectively it is legal and not just in 23 states. How often do we hear of people being arrested for weed use, possession, or selling. I don't, but I live in a stoner state. It doesn't happen around here, Oregon, or California. mspart I was up at the San Francisco passport control building a year ago with my boys and the fentanyl zombies were lying on the sidewalk and standing in parking spaces... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Parrish Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, mspart said: I agree, Wee is not physically addictive. mspart Bear Grylls would like a word... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 7 minutes ago, mspart said: I agree, Wee is not physically addictive. mspart D is not physically addictive either… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Mike Parrish said: Bear Grylls would like a word... Well, he should talk to the CDC. mpart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 1 hour ago, LJB said: D is not physically addictive either… What is it about the CDC, NYT, CNN, and NIDA that is not true? You seem to be saying there is a difference between physical addiction and addiction. Please share because I cannot square your declarative statements with those of CDC and NIDA. mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 13 minutes ago, mspart said: What is it about the CDC, NYT, CNN, and NIDA that is not true? You seem to be saying there is a difference between physical addiction and addiction. Please share because I cannot square your declarative statements with those of CDC and NIDA. mspart Think back to what the CDC said about the boogie bug… weed is not physically addictive… neither are cheeseburgers but we still have a ton of fat people… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingRasta Posted June 1, 2023 Author Share Posted June 1, 2023 3 hours ago, mspart said: I live in a stoner state. Weed has been decriminalized. But public consumption is prohibited by law. Yeah right. Police will not even arrest people for public fentanyl use because the prosecutors will not uphold the law and will not prosecute, and judges give out wimpy sentences if anyone is ever charged and convicted. I'm guessing it is similar wherever weed has been decriminalized. Effectively it is legal and not just in 23 states. How often do we hear of people being arrested for weed use, possession, or selling. I don't, but I live in a stoner state. It doesn't happen around here, Oregon, or California. mspart But there is a big difference between being actually legal and being effectively legal, particular when it comes to the workplace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasmodium Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 3 hours ago, mspart said: You might want to rethink that. https://nida.nih.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/marijuana-addictive Marijuana use can lead to the development of problem use, known as a marijuana use disorder, which takes the form of addiction in severe cases. Recent data suggest that 30% of those who use marijuana may have some degree of marijuana use disorder.18 People who begin using marijuana before the age of 18 are four to seven times more likely to develop a marijuana use disorder than adults.19 Marijuana use disorders are often associated with dependence—in which a person feels withdrawal symptoms when not taking the drug. People who use marijuana frequently often report irritability, mood and sleep difficulties, decreased appetite, cravings, restlessness, and/or various forms of physical discomfort that peak within the first week after quitting and last up to 2 weeks.20,21 Marijuana dependence occurs when the brain adapts to large amounts of the drug by reducing production of and sensitivity to its own endocannabinoid neurotransmitters.22,23 https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health-effects/addiction.html Some people who use marijuana will develop marijuana use disorder, meaning that they are unable to stop using marijuana even though it’s causing health and social problems in their lives. One study estimated that approximately 3 in 10 people who use marijuana have marijuana use disorder.1 Another study estimated that people who use cannabis have about a 10% likelihood of becoming addicted.2 The risk of developing marijuana use disorder is greater in people who start using marijuana during youth or adolescence and who use marijuana more frequently.3 The following are signs of marijuana use disorder 4: Using more marijuana than intended Trying but failing to quit using marijuana Spending a lot of time using marijuana Craving marijuana Using marijuana even though it causes problems at home, school, or work Continuing to use marijuana despite social or relationship problems. Giving up important activities with friends and family in favor of using marijuana. Using marijuana in high-risk situations, such as while driving a car. Continuing to use marijuana despite physical or psychological problems. Needing to use more marijuana to get the same high. Experiencing withdrawal symptoms when stopping marijuana use. In a study of cannabis research samples over time, the average delta-9 THC (the main form of THC in the cannabis plant) concentration almost doubled, from 9% in 2008 to 17% in 2017.7 Products from dispensaries often offer much higher concentrations than seen in this study. In a study of products available in online dispensaries in 3 states with legal non-medical adult marijuana use, the average THC concentration was 22%, with a range of 0% to 45%.8 https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/25/health/marijuana-potency-addiction-study-wellness/index.html Higher concentrations of tetrahydrocannabinol or THC – the part of the marijuana plant that makes you high – are causing more people to become addicted in many parts of the world, a new review of studies found. Compared with people who use lower-potency products (typically 5 to 10 milligrams per gram of THC), those who use higher-potency cannabis are more likely to experience addiction and mental health outcomes, according to the study published Monday in the journal Lancet Psychiatry. Scientists have established a “standard THC unit” of 5 milligrams of THC for research. That amount is said to produce a mild intoxication for nonregular users. “One of the highest quality studies included in our publication found that use of high potency cannabis, compared to low potency cannabis, was linked to a four-fold increased risk of addiction,” said study coauthor Tom Freeman, a senior lecturer in the department of psychology and director of the addiction and mental health group at the University of Bath in the United Kingdom, in an email. In the United States, about 3 in 10 people who use marijuana have cannabis use disorder, the medical term for marijuana addiction, according to the US Centers for Disease and Prevention. mspart This might be the least controversial article on marijuana use I've ever read. Totally squares with reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasmodium Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said: But there is a big difference between being actually legal and being effectively legal, particular when it comes to the workplace. Yep, so long as marijuana use is screened by employers it is effectively illegal. One issue with that is the difficulty of distinguishing between prior use and currently under the influence. Another is the inherent lack of soul in the insurance industry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbrog Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 The way I read the articles is that weed CAN be addictive in a relatively small percentage of people. The perspective I took when reading it is comparing the language used to describe alcohol addiction or crack...the language used is much different, such as, if used to much you WILL become addictive. Out of all the people I know who do weed (smoke or edibles), which is a lot, none of them has ever felt addicted to it. Alcohol on the other hand...bad bad bad. When all is said and done, if my kid decided between weed or booze as his vice, I'd sure hope to hell he chose weed...of course hopefully he chooses neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Brixton Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 17 hours ago, mspart said: I agree, Wee is not physically addictive. mspart Apparently you didn't get the memo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasmodium Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 Wee is actually the name for marijuana in West Africa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 On 6/1/2023 at 12:52 PM, LJB said: you can die from sudden withdrawal from alcohol... one of two "drugs" that that can even happen from (i forget the other) The only other is the benzos like Xanax, Valium, Klonopin, Librium, etc… which is funny because benzos are given to people with severe alcohol withdrawals to keep them from dying (particularly Librium). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 On 6/2/2023 at 9:15 AM, Theo Brixton said: Apparently you didn't get the memo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 On 6/1/2023 at 3:59 PM, mspart said: Police will not even arrest people for public fentanyl use LOL, Explain to me what this looks like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 6 minutes ago, MPhillips said: LOL, Explain to me what this looks like. all his links this is all i see... must be a rough life... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 20 hours ago, MPhillips said: LOL, Explain to me what this looks like. It looks like Seattle and Portland. https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/public-transit-new-drug-den-whats-being-done-keep-you-safe/X6GLQLCLXZGOXOH655KPJ23RJM/ KING COUNTY, Wash. — Lurking inside countless King County Metro Transit buses and trains is growing frustration over dangerous fumes from America’s deadliest drug. According to several Metro Transit drivers and the union representing thousands more, blue counterfeit M-30 oxycodone pills — commonly laced with fentanyl — are openly smoked or “freebased” by riders aboard buses and trains, exposing riders and operators to fumes often described as “sickening.” https://publichealthinsider.com/2022/04/05/its-safe-to-give-help-questions-and-answers-about-secondhand-fentanyl-exposure/ How could one get indirectly exposed to fentanyl from another person? Could you absorb it through the skin? Or through the air? The risks are very low. When someone smokes fentanyl, most of the drug has been filtered out by the user before there is secondhand smoke. It doesn’t just sort of float around. Studies have looked at fentanyl concentrations in the bloodstream after someone has had secondhand fentanyl exposure from smoke. The levels are extremely low or not detectable. So, there’s no real risk for the everyday person being exposed to secondhand opioid smoke. So the lesson from this is ride the bus, don't worry about the people smoking fentanyl, it won't hurt you, don't worry what the bus drivers say. Oh and the people that smoke it are not being guided off the bus, not being kicked off the bus. No, because you can't do that. And no one will prosecute it except they will prosecute the driver that kicks them off the bus or anyone else that does so. That's what it looks like. mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingRasta Posted June 7, 2023 Author Share Posted June 7, 2023 On 6/5/2023 at 4:00 PM, mspart said: It looks like Seattle and Portland. https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/public-transit-new-drug-den-whats-being-done-keep-you-safe/X6GLQLCLXZGOXOH655KPJ23RJM/ KING COUNTY, Wash. — Lurking inside countless King County Metro Transit buses and trains is growing frustration over dangerous fumes from America’s deadliest drug. According to several Metro Transit drivers and the union representing thousands more, blue counterfeit M-30 oxycodone pills — commonly laced with fentanyl — are openly smoked or “freebased” by riders aboard buses and trains, exposing riders and operators to fumes often described as “sickening.” https://publichealthinsider.com/2022/04/05/its-safe-to-give-help-questions-and-answers-about-secondhand-fentanyl-exposure/ How could one get indirectly exposed to fentanyl from another person? Could you absorb it through the skin? Or through the air? The risks are very low. When someone smokes fentanyl, most of the drug has been filtered out by the user before there is secondhand smoke. It doesn’t just sort of float around. Studies have looked at fentanyl concentrations in the bloodstream after someone has had secondhand fentanyl exposure from smoke. The levels are extremely low or not detectable. So, there’s no real risk for the everyday person being exposed to secondhand opioid smoke. So the lesson from this is ride the bus, don't worry about the people smoking fentanyl, it won't hurt you, don't worry what the bus drivers say. Oh and the people that smoke it are not being guided off the bus, not being kicked off the bus. No, because you can't do that. And no one will prosecute it except they will prosecute the driver that kicks them off the bus or anyone else that does so. That's what it looks like. mspart There are certainly pockets of 'what the hell is going on here' But please don't make broad "police won't" as if that goes for every police department across the country. Do better and stop looking for an anecdotal; story for every single post you read on here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 34 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said: There are certainly pockets of 'what the hell is going on here' But please don't make broad "police won't" as if that goes for every police department across the country. Do better and stop looking for an anecdotal; story for every single post you read on here. he has some real hot takes on weed that he was told to believe... seems to be theme... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 1 hour ago, LJB said: he has some real hot takes on weed that he was told to believe... seems to be theme... OK ljb, show me how the CDC is wrong. I provided you what the CDC says about weed addiction. It seems you are the one being told what to believe. That's ok that you have an opinion. But that doesn't mean it is factual. CDC and NIDA are both government agencies and both say weed is addictive. Here are the articles. Show where they are wrong. https://nida.nih.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/marijuana-addictive https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health-effects/addiction.html https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-medication/cannabis/health-effects/addiction.html Here are some more: https://americanaddictioncenters.org/marijuana-rehab/is-it-addictive https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/10/well/mind/weed-addiction.html https://www.hazeldenbettyford.org/addiction/marijuana-symptoms https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/25/health/marijuana-potency-addiction-study-wellness/index.html https://mcwell.nd.edu/your-well-being/physical-well-being/drugs/marijuana-or-cannabis-sativa/quitting-marijuana-a-30-day-self-help-guide/myths-and-current-research/ https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/4392-marijuana https://iprc.indiana.edu/training/courses/marijuana/a_04_02_01.html You can read them or not, but by continuing to say that weed is not addictive, you are going against scientific findings. mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, mspart said: OK ljb, show me how the CDC is wrong. I provided you what the CDC says about weed addiction. It seems you are the one being told what to believe. That's ok that you have an opinion. But that doesn't mean it is factual. CDC and NIDA are both government agencies and both say weed is addictive. Here are the articles. Show where they are wrong. https://nida.nih.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/marijuana-addictive https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health-effects/addiction.html https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-medication/cannabis/health-effects/addiction.html Here are some more: https://americanaddictioncenters.org/marijuana-rehab/is-it-addictive https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/10/well/mind/weed-addiction.html https://www.hazeldenbettyford.org/addiction/marijuana-symptoms https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/25/health/marijuana-potency-addiction-study-wellness/index.html https://mcwell.nd.edu/your-well-being/physical-well-being/drugs/marijuana-or-cannabis-sativa/quitting-marijuana-a-30-day-self-help-guide/myths-and-current-research/ https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/4392-marijuana https://iprc.indiana.edu/training/courses/marijuana/a_04_02_01.html You can read them or not, but by continuing to say that weed is not addictive, you are going against scientific findings. mspart read the actual language... there is no physical addiction to marijuana... it is addictive as cheeseburgers or political propaganda... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 2 hours ago, WrestlingRasta said: There are certainly pockets of 'what the hell is going on here' But please don't make broad "police won't" as if that goes for every police department across the country. Do better and stop looking for an anecdotal; story for every single post you read on here. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/seattle-city-council-rejects-giving-city-attorney-power-to-prosecute-drug-cases/ Is this too anecdotal for you Rasta? Perhaps Seattle is alone in this. Perhaps not. It certainly does not align with the way most of the other areas of WA feel, so it may be isolated yes. Here is some more anecdotals for you. https://nida.nih.gov/research-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-briefs/2022/02/drug-arrests-stayed-high-even-as-imprisonment-fell-from-2009-to-2019 Seems like drug abuse is everywhere as these last two are national stats. But this is just anecdotal keep telling yourself. Remember, City of Seattle just voted not to hold individuals criminally liable for possession or use. mspart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, LJB said: read the actual language... there is no physical addiction to marijuana... it is addictive as cheeseburgers or political propaganda... You didn't read any of them. Unless you are the speedreader of the universe, because I just posted a host of articles for you a minute ago that you quoted. Go on denying what is right in front of you. You are more the sheep than you think. You have bought into the propaganda. Again, this is your opinion, and facts and data apparently won't change that. mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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